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« on: June 14, 2008, 01:19:57 AM »

Ok, the instinct lacks a few things when compared to the iphone 3G. For one one Wi-Fi would have been nice to see on the instinct but with Rev A, ok not to bad. Second the iphone has multi touch, a nice feature to have especially for web pages and images. Beyond that the instinct is way a way better overall device. The instinct has(over the iphone) #1) JAVA, in my opinion Java is more wide spread with more developers. No Native JAVA Support for iphone EVER!!. #2) EV DO Rev. A (Still faster on download, but much faster on upload, Rev A was designed that way.) Plus Sprints nationwide roll out makes it much more likely to be where the masses are. as opposed to AT&T's 3G roll out (trust me I worked as an auditor for AT&T and their UMTS or 3G roll out is not close to finished in the metro NY area, and that's a large market) #3) Video Recording - nuff said. #4) Streaming TV and Radio #5) Stereo Bluetooth output with voice activate from headset #6) External expansion ie. Micro SD card #7) Haptic feedback #8) 3 Buttons to help with navigation (in my opinion a much better idea.) #9) Real GPS and not some A-GPS where it uses Cellular triangulation plus Wi-Fi triangulation plus some sort of actual GPS assist to those. #10) SMS, I think that is very important. with the ability to shoot a pic or *vid* and send it using SMS or MMS. genius I tell you! and just for giggles there will probably be a copy and paste feature!(not sure but would be nice) not to mention a keyboard that isn't cramped in portrait mode. And the Most important thing of all, two OEM batteries in every package, what does that mean, that's what did it for me, a F---in  removable battery, in case I decide to keep the phone for more than a year, not likely, but still a good thing.
There are a few things they have in common as well #1) Visual Voicemail  #2) 2MP Camera, although  I think the instinct has a flash. #3) Touch Screen, Resistive vs. Capacitive. #4) VOIP Possibilities  #5) Developers excited to make new useful applications.
If the iphone were the second to market with an effective touchscreen device they would not be the ones that are the gold standard, they might be just another instinct trying to make their mark!
If you ask my opinion Instinct wins, judge for yourself!
Can't wait till June 20, 2008!!!
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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2008, 09:43:02 AM »

Ok, the instinct lacks a few things when compared to the iphone 3G. For one one Wi-Fi would have been nice to see on the instinct but with Rev A, ok not to bad. Second the iphone has multi touch, a nice feature to have especially for web pages and images. Beyond that the instinct is way a way better overall device. The instinct has(over the iphone) #1) JAVA, in my opinion Java is more wide spread with more developers. No Native JAVA Support for iphone EVER!!. #2) EV DO Rev. A (Still faster on download, but much faster on upload, Rev A was designed that way.) Plus Sprints nationwide roll out makes it much more likely to be where the masses are. as opposed to AT&T's 3G roll out (trust me I worked as an auditor for AT&T and their UMTS or 3G roll out is not close to finished in the metro NY area, and that's a large market) #3) Video Recording - nuff said. #4) Streaming TV and Radio #5) Stereo Bluetooth output with voice activate from headset #6) External expansion ie. Micro SD card #7) Haptic feedback #8) 3 Buttons to help with navigation (in my opinion a much better idea.) #9) Real GPS and not some A-GPS where it uses Cellular triangulation plus Wi-Fi triangulation plus some sort of actual GPS assist to those. #10) SMS, I think that is very important. with the ability to shoot a pic or *vid* and send it using SMS or MMS. genius I tell you! and just for giggles there will probably be a copy and paste feature!(not sure but would be nice) not to mention a keyboard that isn't cramped in portrait mode. And the Most important thing of all, two OEM batteries in every package, what does that mean, that's what did it for me, a F---in  removable battery, in case I decide to keep the phone for more than a year, not likely, but still a good thing.
There are a few things they have in common as well #1) Visual Voicemail  #2) 2MP Camera, although  I think the instinct has a flash. #3) Touch Screen, Resistive vs. Capacitive. #4) VOIP Possibilities  #5) Developers excited to make new useful applications.
If the iphone were the second to market with an effective touchscreen device they would not be the ones that are the gold standard, they might be just another instinct trying to make their mark!
If you ask my opinion Instinct wins, judge for yourself!
Can't wait till June 20, 2008!!!


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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2008, 10:04:42 AM »

It doesn't have a flash and without wifi there are no voip possibilities especially on Java/Brew
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2008, 10:32:27 AM »

I read a few places it had a flash with the camera, but I also read it didn't so I wasn't sure.

As for Wi-Fi and VOIP, I was reading about EV DO Rev A and from what I can gather it was designed for video and VOIP. Not sure what effect the slightly slower speeds (from Wi-Fi) might have, but I would like to believe it can handle it. Now, does sprint want you to use VOIP, that is a different issue.

As for BREW and VOIP your right I can't find any applications for VOIP but, necessity is the mother of invention! Ya never know!
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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2008, 10:43:06 AM »

I think developers are a little more exciting about the iPhone SDK than about the Instincts.  I may be wrong, and I know it was just released, but ten bucks says ebay, MIMvistsa, mlb.com, sega, etc. don't develope apps for the Instinct within weeks of the SDK being released...

You put down the touch screen as a plus for the Instinct?  Whatever man.  I was laughing enough when you said you thought the Instinct had a flash - shows how much you actually know about it.  But the iPhone's capacitive touch screen works a whole lot better.  I'm not claiming to have played with an Instinct, but I have with an iPhone, and all the reviewers say the same thing.  That the iPhone's is more responsive and more accurate.  Because capacitive is sensing where the electric field has been disturbed - by you grounding it with your finger.  While resistive actually requires you to have two layers make contact to tell the phone where you've pressed.

The Instinct does not kill it.  Not even close.  I think the Instinct may be a very nice phone, I may even get it in the unlikely chance that you can get it with SERO, but once you start comparing it to the iPhone...that's just a joke.
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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2008, 10:48:57 AM »

--3G, even Rev. A is "a little slower" than wifi...at full strength.  When they're showing you how *fast* it is, they want to show you it doing its best.  But I'll bet real world experience, when signal strength won't always be high, you'll wish you had wifi.  I would.

--And videos and pictures of the Instinct have been out for a long fricken time.  To give a "Full Iphone Comparison" you should know a little more about the two phones you're comparing.
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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2008, 11:42:57 AM »

tcarr20,

I love the comments, I agree developers are much more excited to use the iphone SDK, s*** I watched the complete WWDC 2008 video off apple's website and I loved it. The SDK looks so cool and easy to use, plus the iphone is the gold standard, so why wouldn't they want to use it. But Java/Brew has it's fans as well, and is a very powerful tool for creating custom and needed applications, and correct me if I'm wrong, but there are more Jave based phones out there than the 6+ mill iphones, damn that a lot of one type of phone!

I think some of those developers will create content for the instinct, which ones is yet to be seen, and certainly not in two weeks of development like some of the demos at WWDC 2008 but, still they are coming.

I just said they both have touchscreens I never said that the screen was a plus for the instinct, I don't believe that at all. I love the touchscreen of the iphone, but before there were iphones there were touchscreen windows mobile phones (I had the 8525) and it did what I needed it to do, and when windows mobile 7 comes out and has multi-touch built in,  it won't be as much an issue on future phones.

The argument or comparison speaks for itself, just something for the masses to read when skimming across the vast amounts of information on the internet. 

What I would like to see happen and again just my opinion, is Steve Jobs should put out a phone that is hands down everything you could want in a phone and then some, including Wimax, and at least give the opportunity to the other carries to carry the phone in their lineup, although Wimax is a little tough most as carriers wont have it for a few years, then I will buy the iphone.
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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2008, 04:19:21 PM »

I'm sorry, I was a little harsh I think.  I agree with everything you just said, and I must have misread the touch screen part.  I don't know why more phones don't go to capacitive though, cause it is a lot better.  And other carriers for the iPhone would definitely be nice.

I just read on CNet though that it doesn't look like apple has any plans on a cdma version of the iPhone, which is too bad.
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2008, 04:40:19 PM »

I'm sorry, I was a little harsh I think.  I agree with everything you just said, and I must have misread the touch screen part.  I don't know why more phones don't go to capacitive though, cause it is a lot better.  And other carriers for the iPhone would definitely be nice.

I just read on CNet though that it doesn't look like apple has any plans on a cdma version of the iPhone, which is too bad.

I agree with you capacitive touch screen is def the better of the two. I also disagree with the OP's title of instinct kills it. The instinct does not kill the iphone but it is a great phone and i think it is on the same level as the iphone but it def does not kill it and the main reason for that would be the processor speed, the browser, and the screen. Now the only important one of those is the processor speed and if the phone works quickly with the processor it has then that's all that matters.
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2008, 04:47:31 PM »

I'm sorry, I was a little harsh I think.  I agree with everything you just said, and I must have misread the touch screen part.  I don't know why more phones don't go to capacitive though, cause it is a lot better.  And other carriers for the iPhone would definitely be nice.

I just read on CNet though that it doesn't look like apple has any plans on a cdma version of the iPhone, which is too bad.

I agree with you capacitive touch screen is def the better of the two. I also disagree with the OP's title of instinct kills it. The instinct does not kill the iphone but it is a great phone and i think it is on the same level as the iphone but it def does not kill it and the main reason for that would be the processor speed, the browser, and the screen. Now the only important one of those is the processor speed and if the phone works quickly with the processor it has then that's all that matters.

Definitely has the potential to be a great phone.  I am excited to see how it does, it's only when it gets compared it to the iPhone that it seems to be lacking.  It may be better than any other touchscreen phone though. 

And I hope it can be used on sero, but it doesn't look like it.
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2008, 12:06:11 AM »

tcarr20,

I totally agree, the capacitive touchscreen is the best in the technology of touchscreens. Take it one step further to a Transflective touchscreen so in direct sunlight you can still see it and I would buy any phone with that option, as well as all the other advanced features. 

If I'm not mistaken the Samsung Glyde SCH-u940 has a capacitive touchscreen, and is the baby brother to the instinct. So I blame samsung for not using the better of the two technologies.

Next year I will get another phone that will hopefully have everything I personally need!


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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2008, 07:24:03 AM »

Okay here is my 2 cents.  No big deal if the instinct kills the Iphone or vice versa.  I realized many years ago that technology of electronic devises moves to fast.  The products that you buy are being improved on all the time.  There are few items that have actually killed its competitor (exception VCR/BetaMax and Blueray/HD DVD)  The only reason those two is that market demands one format.  Cell phones are not the same.  There wll not be a single cell compa for a long long time.  There will also not be one cell phone ever.  I just look at it this way.  I like Sprint,  had them for over 9 years (back when they were US Unwired).  I have had ATT for a brief period.  Got pissed at the phone and not beng able to make calls because the tower was full.  So in a nut shell,  I think the Instinct is great for me.  Yes it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the Iphone but does a great job getting close.  I would love to have a Ferrari.  They are the pinnacle off fine performance sports cars.  I however wll not be getting one of those anytime soon.  The new Camaro is no Ferrari killer but should eveyone blast it because of that.   Its sales will be great and the reviews so far have been great.  Now if Sprint would just price it right and sell the darn thing soon.  It would have made a Great Fathers Day gift. AHUM.
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2008, 08:36:39 AM »

Believe me, the Iphone even the 3G is no Ferrari.  But I know what are getting at.  Lets be honest, Iphone does multimedia apps better, like the music shuffler, picture viewing... BUT the Instinct does almost everything else better: voice to act, live search, EV DO Rev A websurfing, better GPS, customizable apps/menus, more apps/menus, live tv and radio, better qwerty w/landscape+portrait mode, predictive and corrective text, haptic feedback, one touch web panning, video and voice recording, microSD memory expansion (creating endless memory capability, Iphone3G is at most 16GB), two batteries, and more...  All these things the Iphone 3G is not capable of.  But the Iphone is more popular b/c everyone is in love, and for good reason, with the very effective pinch multitouch feature. 
From 1 to 20, give Iphone a 19 for beauty and design, 17 for usability, a 14 for functionality.  Instinct, a 17, 18, and 20 respectively.
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2008, 12:58:03 PM »

Believe me, the Iphone even the 3G is no Ferrari.  But I know what are getting at.  Lets be honest, Iphone does multimedia apps better, like the music shuffler, picture viewing... BUT the Instinct does almost everything else better: voice to act *YES*, live search *YES*, EV DO Rev A websurfing*NO* -cause the browser doesn't work nearly as well - maybe when opera actually works, better GPS *NO* the 3G has true gps now, it's not cell+wifi+then gps like some have said.  Its a gps., customizable apps/menus *NO* there is no "Favorites" menu, but you can create a ton of home screens for the iphone and arrange them however you like - so you could have a favorites home screen if you wanted, more apps/menus*NO* see previous, you can have as many as you want and organize things however you want..., live tv and radio *YES*, better qwerty w/landscape+portrait mode *YES* you can text in landscape which is certainly a big plus, but some people have said they like the iPhones better, predictive and corrective text *NO* the iPhone has both of corrective at least, not how predictive it will be but.., haptic feedback ****I don't know if this is a plus, it's kind of nice but I think if the phone does what you tell it, it will get annoying - i.e. when you want to just scroll something and it keeps buzzing at you., one touch web panning *NO* the web browser works very well on the iphone, and you can pan with one finger if you want, that camera feature is gimicky if you ask me, video and voice recording *YES* this is true, my phone records good video, but I never use it, and I don't think this is a huge plus - and does the iphone not have any voice memo feature? I can't remember one way or the other., microSD memory expansion (creating endless memory capability, Iphone3G is at most 16GB),*YES* sort of. Are you really going to have sever micro sd cards to swap in and out? I don't think so. And with that in mind, the iphone has just as much memory.  I agree a memory slot would be nice though two batteries,*YES* this is one of the best parts of the instinct for sure, and a definite improvement over a lot of phones - coming with two batteries and a charger that charges the extra battery while it's not in the phone. and more...  All these things the Iphone 3G is not capable of.  But the Iphone is more popular b/c everyone is in love, and for good reason, with the very effective pinch multitouch feature. 
From 1 to 20, give Iphone a 19 for beauty and design, 17 for usability, a 14 for functionality.  Instinct, a 17, 18, and 20 respectively.

People are not in love just because of the multitouch.  That is a nice feature, but that feature and all its features work very well.  I agree it is lacking some things, but I think they are rather minor.  It has 3g now, it has true gps now.  I don't shoot video (I know some people do), hardly any phones come with 2 batteries anyways (but that is a very nice part of the instinct), and how many people actually buy a new battery before they get a new phone too.  Add Exchange support, the SDK that more people will use than any other phone SDK, etc.

iPhone get 19 for beauty and design, 19 for usability, and a 17 for functionality.  **Functionality for what it has is almost perfect, I'll knock it down a few for lacking some features that some people would want.

For the Instinct these are all speculative, because no one (except very few) have acutally had the opportunity to use one of these, but I would give a 17 for beauty and design, 16 for usability, and 16 for functionality.  It is a nice design, the lacking touch screen cramps the usability, and the functionality I'll give the same since it has some more features, but also doesn't have some, and don't seem to work quite as well as the iPhone (exchange, audio, video playback, etc. don't work nearly as well as the iPhone or are missing altogether).

I've said it several times already, but we should stop comparing the Instinct to the iPhone, especially now that the 3G version is here.  I think it was a mistake on Sprint's part.  The iPhone has some of the features they were bragging it didn't have, and the iPhone is a legit smartphone now, and the Instinct is not.  I think the Instinct may be a great phone, and have some nice features most phones don't have, but don't compare it to the iphone, cause it makes me like a phone less (the Instinct) that I would otherwise think is great as a phone.
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2008, 12:58:40 PM »

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