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« on: January 05, 2009, 06:56:12 PM »

Admins, or those in the know,

Any idea why when I tried to log onto the site on my phone, I got a message that said I was banned for 'pirated material'?  I'm pretty sure I haven't posted any copyrighted material on this or any other site...  but now when I logged on through my computer, there isn't a problem?

Was it a bug?  Thanks for your help in advance.
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2009, 07:19:00 PM »

What browser are you using when you logged in?  This happened to me yesterday when I was using Opera Mini.  I contacted an administrated, who said they checked my account and I was not Banned.  However I was still getting the banned message. I had to delete my cookies on the opera browser and delete the bookmark I had created on Opera.  This fixed the problem.  I just created a new bookmark after and it is working fine.  I hope this helps some?
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2009, 08:09:10 PM »

I know the problem. We had this EXACT same issue on the Dare forum.

I guess my message is directed more towards the admins, but basically, when a member is IP banned, if they used their phone to access the forum, it might end up banning a lot of innocent users from their phone as well.... The phones must share IP addresses.

The way around this is to delete all current IP bans.
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2009, 10:16:26 PM »

Corsairkid is correct...
One of the issues with banner IP's.
Ill bring this up with the admins.
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2009, 07:25:54 AM »

Yes, I have gotten few emails regarding to getting banned for doing nothing wrong.

This is a tough one as Sprint is giving out shared ips when Instincts are connected to the internet.

In that case it's hard to filter out troublemakers from good members.

Try to power off and on so your ip address might be refreshed, and then try again.
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2009, 12:28:20 PM »

thanks everyone...  yeah, i was browsing from my phone (opera mini) when i got the message...  and it works fine from a desktop and such

was concerned a bit that someone somehow got my username & password and was posting stuff.  :-D  thanks for the information!

i guess it'll be really hard to IP ban if the phones share the same IP address...
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2009, 12:50:16 PM »

I think all the IPs starting with 173.X.X.X are Sprint IPs.  There's quiet a few of them that are banned.
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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2009, 02:19:20 PM »

Ummmmmm... here's kind of a silly low-tech solution to the problem.

If you know that Sprint mobile-based IP's will always be in the range of 173.x.x.x and you know those IP addresses are shared, then mark that IP address range as immune from being banned. That seems to be a lot simpler solution than suggesting that anyone who acquires a banned IP address needing to shut down their phone and start it back up again with the hope that the next IP address they acquire is also not a banned one.

This is definitely a problem that exists with the site and not the web clients and thus the solution should not be placed on the back of all the web clients.

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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2009, 03:17:11 PM »

Ummmmmm... here's kind of a silly low-tech solution to the problem.

If you know that Sprint mobile-based IP's will always be in the range of 173.x.x.x and you know those IP addresses are shared, then mark that IP address range as immune from being banned. That seems to be a lot simpler solution than suggesting that anyone who acquires a banned IP address needing to shut down their phone and start it back up again with the hope that the next IP address they acquire is also not a banned one.

This is definitely a problem that exists with the site and not the web clients and thus the solution should not be placed on the back of all the web clients.

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That would work, except if I get banned, I could just log in on my phone and continue my antics. That's the beauty of a floating IP. So its a mute point. If you unban all those IPs, anyone who gets banned needs only log in via there phone. Continue banning these IPs, and innocents get effected
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2009, 03:52:51 PM »

Your points are very valid. In short though, the only time that blocking an IP is appropriate is when the IP is static (not dynamically assigned). Since DHCP was introduced many years ago, dynamically assigned IP addresses have become more and more the norm instead of the exception. Typically speaking, even most corporations will only statically assign IP addresses to servers (not individual clients).

I've found it more appropriate (for my own home network) to block ranges of IP addresses that belong to non-North American organizations as a general rule (what possible need is there for a non-North American site to try getting to my home network?). From there, I will block certain domains that are known to cause trouble. One of the oldest tricks in the book for hackers that they developed over a decade ago was to wreak their havoc and then quickly force themselves to a new IP address.

Thus the whole concept of blocking individual IP addresses is a security concept that's antiquated and ineffectual at best. At worst, it provides the site owner a false sense of security in that since they believe they're protected, they're likely to not be as vigilant at protecting the assets stored on their site.

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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2009, 04:14:12 PM »

Alright, when this happened on the Dare forum, this is the decision I made, and the reasons why. Now, the decisions made by the Admins on this forum are up to them, so they are free to take my logic however they please.

When I noticed this was happening, I deleted all the current IP bans that were in effect. This solved the problem for all the innocent members. This was my main goal.

Now I had the issue of the old troublemakers that had been IP banned. I figured most of them had either forgotten about the forum, or created new usernames and were being good members.

I can say that after deleting the IP bans, I have not experienced any abnormal increase in trolls or spam. Now, the only time I will IP ban is if I know for a FACT that the user's IP is their home computer. A simple IP lookup will tell me this.
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2009, 05:13:12 PM »

Congrats CorsairKid on a wise decision in your particular case. I won't be so bold as to tell the admins of this site that it would be equally wise for them to do the same as they may have reasons beyond the ones you and I can imagine. And after all, it's their site to manage as they like and the rest of us are all just visitors... and those of us who've gained from the content at this site should be grateful for it.

I've had the privilege of meeting and lunching with on several occasions a gentleman who's perhaps one of the leading computer/network security experts in America (he's often used as one of the talking heads on the various cable news channels out there when the story involves a breach in IT security). I know every single time I listen to him I wind up more worried about computer security than I ever imagined possible... LOL!

It's his contention that the days (and usefulness) of banning individual IP addresses passed more than a decade ago. Similarly (on a slightly connected topic) he feels that if you're using a signature-based antivirus solution (looking for a particular string of characters that's been known to be present in a particular virus) that you're just kidding yourself... and that's been the case for more than the past 5 years (he recommends behaviour-based anti-virus solutions in addition to a host of other approaches).

Keep in mind that unless you have a static IP address assigned to the device with which you're browsing (getting more and more rare with each passing day), the approach of blocking a particular IP address (regardless of whether you're a home, corporate, or mobile user) is likely just a waste of your time and energy providing you with nothing more than a false sense of security.

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